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Edogawa Conan | Kudou Shinichi ([personal profile] glassesbrat) wrote2014-01-10 08:22 pm
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[personal profile] iambetter 2014-12-12 04:16 am (UTC)(link)
I'm going to preface this by saying I know next to nothing about your canon, but a lot of what I'm going to crit you on doesn't necessarily have to do with me needing to know it. I'm also doing this logged in because I know a majority of people won't consider anon crit valid. So here we go.

For the most part this doesn't effect me too much, I've not personally had to deal with this on a large level, just minor things that typically I won't put up with so it never goes far, but having seen things on a certain anon comm recently and seeing a lot of stuff on plurk and the like or ooc posts in game, I feel the need to speak up. As said I've seen things on anon comms and while people tend to get pretty nasty on there, there have been some valid points brought up that I don't know if you've seen or read, or if you've even taken them into consideration at all.

The biggest thing I've seen you do a lot of is using your canon to push and force your characters into situations and on characters or people. I get that Conan has a huge love for the Sherlock Holmes stories and he's a young detective and all, but that doesn't mean he has to be involved in every little thing involving those characters. In many an ooc plotting thing you've jumped on getting Conan into whatever Sherlock and John are doing, which is fine, you have CR with them and it's great to love your CR and be excited about it, but when those people make it clear they have their own stuff planned you continue to push and badger about it, using your canon to try and make it seem like if Conan doesn't do everything and anything with them that it's completely ooc and everything is ruined.

What you seem to forget is that RP is a collaborative thing and a lot of the times you have to give a little, even if it may be slightly ooc or is something you want. Just as an example I play Khan, obviously, and he's an Augment, super human and super smart all that good nonsense, there's a lot of stuff he should be able to do, or should do, but if I did every little thing it wouldn't be fair a lot of people or characters in game. Also I love my CR with Sherlock and John too when it comes to him, but I also understand that having good CR with people doesn't mean that I'm privy to being involved in everything plot or thing they do. That's just ridiculous.

Which brings me to the next thing that I've seen as well. I'll repeat that I don't know your canon at all, just what I see you talk about on plurk or in ooc posts in game. Saying that I find that you often bring up how Conan is... 18? Or a teenager/young adult in a young boys body from whatever happened in his canon, and that's he's supposed to be very smart. Intelligent, he's a detective after all. Time and time again you down play his intelligence to make him very child like, which I'm sure he uses to his advantage in canon, I don't know, but then you can't seem to handle the repercussions of him behaving this way when adult characters treat him like a child.

For example I've seen a lot of Conan and John butting heads in game because of this, to which you'll give examples in canon as to why Conan does this like it's an excuse of why John should just let it go and act like he's his father and be all 'daw oh Conan it's okay' and love him like a parent of something strange like that. Or even Sherlock. Then that person will give you reasons why in their canon their character wouldn't behave that way or wouldn't take Conan's behavior well and would reprimand him or give him shit for acting as he does.

You've also done this recently with your other character from the same canon. She has many impressive talents that in canon she can use to do a lot of awesome stuff, but in game there are limits and you can beat your head against a wall all day about how she can make viruses and did such and such to the police at one point, but this is a game and everyone has to give a little for it to work and I feel like this is something you're ignoring, whether you do it on purpose or really just don't realize you're doing it.

Basically I think you need to take a step back and not be as forceful with your characters and not bother or badger people when they won't let you into everything and don't expect people to treat Conan certain ways when you have him act like a child and do a lot of pretty not very bright things. Try to realize that while you're characters can do some amazing things that that doesn't mean that they'll always be able to in game. Whether mods say no or other people are asking you to hold back a little.

To end this I'd like to say I came here because of things I'd seen and read for sometime now, this was of my own doing. If you have any concerns or issues please reply back to this or talk to me on plurk or wherever you feel comfortable. Thanks.
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[personal profile] unmakes 2014-12-15 07:14 am (UTC)(link)
While this HMD response are entirely divorced from any concerns expressed by the Box mod team, it has been brought to my attention that there has been some form of misunderstanding between our team and you, so I'm leaving a quick message here.

At no point has anyone been told not to speak with any other involved individuals. All we have requested is that any contact be done in a location which can be supervised by the mod team in some way, to ensure healthy communication. The example we used was a PP in which both parties + mods were involved, but an unscreened HMD such as this one works just as well.

We're sorry again that our request was misunderstood! We just wanted to put this on the public record to dispel any rumors and/or misconstruation which may be circulating.
Edited 2014-12-15 07:19 (UTC)
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[personal profile] unmakes 2014-12-17 08:03 am (UTC)(link)
Just a note to you that we (the mods) have seen this and appreciate both the response and the thought-out apology. We're gonna slide on out of here now, since aside from the reminder/clarification about what was said between us and you, this really isn't our critique thread.
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[personal profile] iambetter 2014-12-17 08:16 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for responding.

I'm sorry to hear about life being rough, that's never easy, but you're right that it's best to not let it leak into RP. RP is a good escape from RL stuff, but it can be easy to let a lot of that mingle with things in a way that can be just bad for everyone all around. We've all done it before no doubt, it happens. Hope things smooth out for you though, holidays can be a rough time of year.

The rest of what you've brought up doesn't necessarily seem to be for me though, perhaps it would be best to discuss theses things with those involved. However that ends up having to happen.

You really didn't respond to most of the things I brought up, as most of these are not recent things you've started to do with Conan. They've been long standing issues that have been going on in the box.
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[personal profile] consulting_freak 2014-12-17 10:24 am (UTC)(link)
Since I've been mentioned indirectly a few times and directly several times during this, I think it's best that I put in my thoughts as well. I would go to you privately, but it looks like there's an addendum against that. I'm not trying to gang up on you or anything like that, but I would like to make a few things clear.

I felt very uncomfortable during your conflict between the obvious other player and yourself. I already expressed that it felt like you were trying to get me to go to her on your behalf and I genuinely appreciate you letting up on the subject when I told you it made me feel uncomfortable. That said, I feel like there's still some rivalry there between the two of you and I think we should keep the OOC and IC line firmly in place in the future. It's sad when people don't get along, but we can't expect someone else's characters to behave in ways the player views as OOC.

My second point is that it feels awkward to me OOCly when you put so much of Conan's mental health on Sherlock's shoulders. It makes me feel like I must conform to certain patterns when we thread otherwise Conan will break irreparably if I don't. I can't be held responsible for your character. That's your job as a roleplayer.

Finally, I would appreciate it if we no longer have any contact between Vermouth and Sherlock. The two IC inbox threads we've had felt like you were trying to circumnavigate CR to go a specific direction by using your secondary character as a mouthpiece. I should have brought this up after the first thread, but I decided not to since I assumed it was a one time thing.

I'm very sorry things built up this far and turned out this way. I hope that Conan finds a more pleasant existence in the box after his canon reset.
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[personal profile] consulting_freak 2014-12-17 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for the apology.

I'd like to clarify that the incident with the mentioned other player isn't the stem of the issue. Conan's reliance on Sherlock and a handful of other characters has been an ongoing thing. The straw that broke the camel's back for me was when you mentioned both in IM and on plurk that the actions taken by me and two other players rendered Conan 'unplayable' for you. It was inappropriate and a better course of action would have been to drop the character or implement your canon reset without making a production of putting a name tag to the reason.

If you truly understand what went wrong and you'll make an effort not to repeat it, then that's good news all around. I would like to make one request regarding any potential plotting/cr for the future. I only need to be pinged once for relevant threads. If I choose not to tag into something for an IC or OOC reason, I reserve the right to make that decision without opening myself up to negotiation.

I'm not going to ask you to avoid talking to me on plurks and I won't refuse to thread with you in general. I don't hate you or harbour you any ill will. Everything's just worked up to a boiling point and I think it might be healthiest for everyone if we take a step back and let things heal naturally.
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[personal profile] iambetter 2014-12-17 10:33 am (UTC)(link)
That's all very good news! Here's to hoping for his continued health in the new year as well.

I wasn't really referring to any specific thing, because it's been multiple ones. Just in general you seem to use Conan's canon as a reason or wedge to push him into things, even when people are trying to do their own thing. I bring up Sherlock and John because it's obvious IC and OOC that Conan has a huge love for Sherlock Holmes stories and detectives, which is awesome, who can fault him, but that's largely where I see this occurring. As I have all three of you on my plurk timeline it's hard to not miss seeing these things happen in plotting plurks, though I typically don't but in or say anything as I'd felt it wasn't my place.

As for everything you're telling me about Conan and his reasons for how he acts and behaves and his emotions, I'm not sure how that factors into what I've said. If I were giving you crit on how you played Conan IC and though you were being OOC, which I honestly can't crit you on not knowing the canon he's from at all, then yes this would be the correct path for this discussion to take. But I'm not critting that.

I just want you to understand that regardless of the IC drama Conan is going through in the box, it's not an excuse to OOCly use it to pressure other people into doing things. You say Conan doesn't want comfort and that he wants Sherlock to tell him he's being an idiot IC, sure that's fine, but OOCly you seem to push very hard for exactly what Conan doesn't want, even when it's not always something people are willing to go along with.

The thing with Conan trying to help/save people is that a lot of the times the way he goes about it ends up with him royally messing up. It's happened a lot really and it's not like ICly these other characters are just going to forget this. They see Conan on the network asking for help or trying to pull one of his little schemes and they just expect a certain something. That's called consequences. That would be like if Khan just killed a bunch of people for no reason, over and over, and people hated him and rightfully were super distrusting and wanted nothing to do with him. ICly sure he's gonna handle it a certain way, but I'm not gonna expect anyone to want to be his bff or trust him as far as they can throw him. That's how RP works. That's how life works, there are consequences for actions good or bad. So while it sucks, these characters already see Conan a certain way and unless he can really do something to make them see otherwise that's just how the cards fall. It's not something that can't be changed, but it's not gonna happen over night or if Conan keeps doing the same thing over and over.

You admitting right up front that you have an unhealthy investment in Conan's thoughts and feelings is one part good that you realize this, but also second part bad since you know this and you still seem to let yourself stay over invested. That's not really a good way to RP as that's how a lot of these issues I've brought up become a problem in the first place.